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It still makes my stomach churn to think that there's people out there who think Marx's philosophy can work.

I always say this: when you focus on the atrocities that the Nazis committed too much, you tend to forget about Marxism and the mountains of corpses it left in its wake. That's why you see Che Guevara on t-shirts and crap like that!

The Nazis have been covered so much that you're beating a dead horse when you study them. How often have the atrocities of Lenin, Stalin, and Mao been covered? Not as often.

Because of such a blissful ignorance of their atrocities, we have people online who think this system can work... while the people who actually have the balls to study it wouldn't support it with a soup ladel.


EDIT (1/28/2014)
My, my, my... people are SO asshurt over the fact that I DARED to speak out against their sacred cow. Mission accomplished!
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:iconstormer21:
stormer21 Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2017
you are thinking communism. socialism is different
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:iconmobilesuitsonic:
MobileSuitSonic Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
But if I said "Death to Communism", people would scream that it hasn't been realized yet!
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stormer21 Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2017
ah, now I understand
P.S the famous anti-communist book animal farm was done by a democratic socialist
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UnknownIdeal Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2017
People are stupid. They can't think for themselves and are brainwashed by some teacher most the time. :-( So much for "education". It's a waste on most people, who cannot think anything besides what their teachers put in their heads. Education and intelligence are NOT the same thing at all.
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Kirbymyfriend972 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Communism and socialism are different *runs*
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MobileSuitSonic Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I know very well, kid. If I sai "Death to Communism" you'd complain that it hasn't come into existence yet.
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Kirbymyfriend972 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Communism becomes corrupted easier thabb socialism, no, I wouldn't really complain
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DragonKing24 Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2016
1. There's a political cartoon that explains what socialism is

2. To anyone who supports the evil system I'll just tell them to go to either Cuba or North Korea
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Dom-the-wanderer Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2016
Do you have a link to that political cartoon?
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DragonKing24 Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2016
youtu.be/ZjMMFJHclJw

This YouTuber mentions it
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Dom-the-wanderer Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2016
Ha, I found the original image on Google images, now I saw make it into a meme.
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DragonKing24 Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2016
Awsome
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Dom-the-wanderer Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2016
Thanks.
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Pig123456789 Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
Marxism, Communism, Socialism are failed political ideologies. Liberalism is a mental disorder. All of those political ideologies killed 130 million in the past century. Commies, Pinkos and Libtards to back to the oven.  
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Midnight-Fantom Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
Just ignore the morons in the comments, particularly TheArtFrog, and ACommissionReviewer

They blocked me because I kept pinning them in a debate, they're absolutely pathetic.
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MobileSuitSonic Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Three years up and still making Commies cry!
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deideiblueeyez Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
...Except Nazism is only Socialism in name and is actually Fascism, which is diametrically opposed to Communism? Why do you think Russia and Germany fucking despised each other during WWII and beyond?
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Midnight-Fantom Featured By Owner Edited Jan 10, 2017  Hobbyist Artist
Except the fact that all of this exists: 
thelibertarianrepublic.com/7-q…
louderwithcrowder.com/myth-bus…
jonjayray.tripod.com/hitler.ht…
democraticpeace.wordpress.com/…

- Hitler taxed rich people with a 100% tax, or were considered to be "privileged" (Jewish)
 www.quora.com/Did-hitler-tax-t…
reason.com/archives/2007/08/15…

- Hitler not only had Socialized Healthcare, but Nazi Germany was the first country to ever practice Socialized Healthcare
www.westernjournalism.com/hitl…
clashdaily.com/2013/09/adolph-…
www.wnd.com/2009/10/111973/

Hitler WAS a Socialist, this is an undeniable fact if you know the history.
But with Socialists and their "NUUU!!! I don't like that Socialism, it doesn't make me look good!; so it's not real Socialism!" argumentative tactic; OF COURSE Nazism isn't real Socialism. Just like Venezuela, USSR, China, Cambodia, The Spanish Revolution, Cuba, Columbia, North Korea, Canada, United States (through Obama's presidency), and every other country/community that ever practiced Socialism because Socialism/Communism/Collectivism ALWAYS FAILS.
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deideiblueeyez Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
That's the thing with Hitler's Germany, though, and fascism: It takes elements along all political spectrums to make the chimera monster it is. The following will be based on traditional definitions of liberalism and conservatism, with the latter being more of a European definition i.e. monarchy and rigid hierarchies. I'll try to keep liberal in the same world as conservative, though America is by definition a liberal country across our political spectrum..As for radical, it's basically communist/socialist ideals, though it is in practice hard to pin down the specifics of what they want. Radical usually includes communism, anarchism, and a bit of socialism, though they're still somewhat liberal because they desire to change the system through official political channels (in other words: gradually) than overthrowing or overstepping the system to get the change they want like radicals.

-The government regulates the economy (radical, some aspects of liberal), but it favors business owners more than the poor workers (liberal). In other words, a "managerial elite" is created (arguably the equivalent to the bourgeois of Marxist thought). It forcibly disbands and disallows labor unions because they are seen as obstructing economic production (conservative). Regardless, it hopes to sculpt the nation in such a way that it is made self-sufficient, or an *autarky* (basically the goal behind anarchy, so this would fall under radical) 

-Technically, private property is still maintained (liberal), but it is expected that the private property is used expressly to help further the nation (conservative in a sense)

-The economy is geared towards a perpetual total war economy (currently the United States as it has been since 1940s) where the separation between civilian and soldier is blurred. Everyone is expected to fight for their nation if asked (as seen quite clearly in Mao's China). The state as such has an unprecedented ability to order countless numbers of people around when preparing to mobilize for an attack (ehh, shades of conservative "I do what I want with my people")

-Above all, capitalism is what they want to preserve because they genuinely believe it will enrich the most people if regulated correctly (LIBERAL)

-It maintains a separation of church and state (arguably liberal, radical) but, in Mussolini's case, he still had to allow them some say-so in the government in order to maintain his bloc of support (Hitler didn't have nearly as much trouble)(conservative liberal, i.e. American conservatism).

-Everyone is supposedly "equal", but some people are more equal than others in practice (arguably liberal; traditionally what ends up happening in totalitarian communist countries), i.e. the leader is at the top and everyone else is below him. There is a very, very clear chain of command to be followed (conservatism).

-The needs of the people are put above the individual (radicalism, conservatism). 

-Gender roles are reinforced (conservative) and homosexuality, while originally not a big deal, often became one of the several scapegoats that Germany pointed the finger at as the cause of their plight (helped to attract support from conservative religious bloc)

-Heavy emphasis on nationalism (liberal) to replace religion as the object of adoration and worship of the people (liberal. Radicals eschew the fetishization of arbitrarily-drawn borders separating us. Now this gets a bit shifty, because conservatives value the leader over the nation--the nation is not the nation if the leader is absent. But these two ideas are melded together with the resurgence of the idea that the leader *is* the nation, so conservatism could arguably suffice here)

-Preservation of the national identity is one of the most important issues to be addressed (The rise of nationalism in the 20th century led to this idea of every nation being somehow unique and special; Hitler took this and ran with it, and we still have loud voices in all of the conservative parties of Europe calling for an end to multiculturalism -- [modern] conservatism) (Socialism finds that ethnicity, race, and nationality divides people and keeps them focused on petty arguments instead of real issues like economic inequality et al.)

-Womens rights are usually curtailed, such as access to birth control and abortion. Bodily autonomy is therefore not a main priority, as it's expected that the individual is willing to sacrifice herself/himself for the betterment of the nation ([modern] conservatism)

-Dramatic change is implemented that shakes up the whole system (radical) in order to fall back to what is perceived to be the "right old way" and do away with what are perceived to have been disastrous changes to a functioning formula (radical conservatism, you might say)

-Very opposed to anarchism and socialism because their key tenets involve changing the system in a way that would eventually lead to *less* government, not *more*. In Fascism there is an express desire for government to be present at all times, possibly due to a distinct lack of faith in people being able to function without a strong government and a rigorous basis of authority  (conservatism a la feudalism...liberalism in some sense, since liberals are afraid of anarchy because of every liberal's ghost memories of the French Revolution)

And that's all I have off the top of my head.
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Midnight-Fantom Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2017  Hobbyist Artist
This comment in a nutshell: "THEY'RE NOT REL SOCIALISM CUZ THEY DON'T MAKE MY ARGUMENT LOOK GOOD!"

Collectivism is evil. End of discussion.
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Midnight-Fantom Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2017  Hobbyist Artist
Yea, and look at how the LGBT advocates for people they claim to represent to be "treated differently because they're different"

How the left is disgustingly racist towards white people, disgustingly sexist towards men ETC.

Also, don't post a chapter of text again or I'm removing your comment as spam (4 paragraphs or less)
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deideiblueeyez Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
....? Didn't know there was a fucking limit to expressing my point of view. 

I honestly expected a bit more of a reply...

Pfft, "a chapter of text". Oh so sorry that my rebuttal was so long, but to be fucking fair your point of view was so full of holes it required a more detailed, yet ultimately brief, breakdown of why I found your statements incorrect. 

Mm mm mm, this is a fucking first, I'll tell you h'what.
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Midnight-Fantom Featured By Owner Edited Jan 23, 2017  Hobbyist Artist
I don't have time for chapters of text

And of course, you being a Collectivist; you resort to baseless claims, and personal attacks.

What about the fact that EVERY Collectivist country fails historically? What about Collectivism's body count? What about Gulags? What about oppression under Collectivist regimes?

Lol; My position has holes... Bullshit.
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deideiblueeyez Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I literally did not personally attack you. Tell me where I called you names or said anything other than I thought that your point of view had "holes", because guess what sweetheart, every point of view has holes in it because it's impossible for someone to consider every single element and incorporate it equally into a single argument, because something has to take prominence over other things or it just becomes a textbook instead of a narrative. 

And I never claimed I was collectivist. I'm critical of every political system. You want me to deconstruct Mao's China and its doomed-to-fail ideology and disastrous policies? Because I can do that. I can do that to feudalism, pre-Progressive era Capitalism, current-era capitalism, Communist Russia, etc. 

And "collectivist" is simply a philosophy where the group is valued over the individual, which is a part of many, many cultures. Japan is still standing, China is still standing, South Korea, and all that. All of them, even China, have been able to combine capitalism as an economic system and preserve their culture of the community over the individual. 
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Midnight-Fantom Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2017  Hobbyist Artist
So you are making a claim you can't substantiate. Cool.

And what you're describing is a TYPE of Collectivism (which also failed), but your definition is also inaccurate.

Collectivism is treating EVERYONE and EVERYTHING as a collective (for example: someone attacks one woman = they're attacking all women). 
But ECONOMIC and SOCIAL Collectivism is Marxist www.merriam-webster.com/dictio…

This is just an indisputable fact; "White Privilege" for example is an example of Identitarian Collectivism.

Don't bother responding if all you're going to do is say "DURRR!!! U R RONG!!!" (make claims you need to substantiate and refuse to do so).

I can do that to. *ahem* YOU HAVE AIDS!
I refuse to substantiate my claims because you're arguments have holes in them!

See how your crap falls apart so easily after just a teeny-tiny bit of evaluation? That should tell you something.

Also, don't condescend to me. My arguments and position here is literally better than yours in every conceivable way.

And yes you did insult me: comments.deviantart.com/1/3768…
Even in this comment you did: "because guess what sweetheart". So you're blatantly lying on top of using retarded mental contortions.
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glovannas Featured By Owner May 27, 2016  Student Digital Artist
wario is dying
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MobileSuitSonic Featured By Owner May 28, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:iconthepenguinplz: - "WAAAAAACK-WA-WACK!"
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Akhnaton-II Featured By Owner May 15, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I wonder how you're planning to do it.
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:iconmobilesuitsonic:
MobileSuitSonic Featured By Owner May 15, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
By exposing it, at the bare minimum.
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Akhnaton-II Featured By Owner May 15, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It won't work.


I used to be that type of person who actually does not think about it, I guess I was some sort of a capitalist and a libertarian (like my parents), but as I grew up I began to notice the basic flaws of the system. So I started reading and studying things and became a communist. If people get real and true info about what communism is, they all will become communists.
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MobileSuitSonic Featured By Owner May 26, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Then move to Cuba for a couple of years.
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Akhnaton-II Featured By Owner May 26, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'll probably find it lovely there :D just like home, but a lil bit warmer...


Oh, by the way: Cuba screwed up Communism. It was not a Communistic country, and no country ever was.
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MobileSuitSonic Featured By Owner May 26, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's what I tell a lot of people: that Communism, as Marx defined it, hasn't been achieved and it never will.
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Akhnaton-II Featured By Owner May 26, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh, come off it! The first country they tried it in was Soviet Union, so it happened that it turned out in the wrong hands (Stalin's), so the new elite was no longer interested in Communism. They built a second empire, and other "Communistic" countries were planted by them out of national interests. 

The point is that nobody tried yet.
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MobileSuitSonic Featured By Owner May 26, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Every time someone attempts it, it always screws up.
Marx never accounted for human nature when he drew up his theory.
It looks nice on paper, but it will fall apart.
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TheArtFrog Featured By Owner May 5, 2016  Student General Artist
Marx's philosophy is communism, not socialism, and has never been tested in real life, only in theory.

However, I'm not a big fan of socialism either. I'm against any political ideology that doesn't respect the rights of the individual.
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ACommissionReviewer Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2016
Marx's philosophy is communism not socialism. There is a difference dude.
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MobileSuitSonic Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
www.marxists.org/archive/fromm…

A follower of Marx wouldn't betray his ideals, yes?
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ACommissionReviewer Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2016
Again, that's not socialism. There is several different types of socialism but the one everyone talks about is democratic socialism as in what countries like Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Canada.
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MobileSuitSonic Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You are mistaking social care with socialism - what about the countries of Western Europe and North America,including UK, Poland and France, since they all have social care?

You think social care = socialism.
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ACommissionReviewer Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2016
Social care is apart of socialism. Why the hell do you think it's called social care and socialism? 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBYmeL…
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DarkVikingMistress Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2016  Student Writer
Marx's philosophy is communism not socialism.
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MobileSuitSonic Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
And yet if I call what happened behind the Iron Curtain "Communism", you'd complain "oh, it hasn't been realized yet!"
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DarkVikingMistress Featured By Owner Edited Apr 16, 2016  Student Writer
I don't support communism don't get me wrong, but Marx had a theory of communism not a theory of socialism. Socialism is often much milder than communism in terms of how radical it is. It can be combined with a democracy and capitalism too. Communism cannot, it is directly opposed to democracy and capitalism and is much more authoritarian and everyone is made to be equal in outcome rather than equal in opportunity. Equal opp. is still what most liberal socialists want, with a focus on helping ease the large gap of wealth inequality in society.
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MobileSuitSonic Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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KnightsofColumbus18 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2016  Student Artist
Socialism is a ugly word and political view socialism no good
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Graeystone Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2016
Remember when Thieves got shot or hung(horse thieves) when caught?
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ghostraptor1917 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Socialism and capitalism are both economic theories that have both their up sides and down sides and both have blood on their hands. Saying death to socialism is stupid just like saying death to capitalism and death to fascism.
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